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        I spoke with recounted working with Chase to launch an
        innovative payment solution that never came to fruition    Some worry that real-time payments
        because of internal struggles. "JPMorgan Chase is a           will cannibalize card payments.
        highly conflicted bank," said the executive, who requested
        anonymity.

        I've seen this play out in the past. Back in the 1980s,
        executives on the wholesale side of what was then Chase   If I've learned one thing in my tenure as payments maven of
        Manhattan  Bank  developed  a  debit  card  program  that   the fourth estate, it's that old payment methods never die;
        cleared payments through the ACH instead of the ATM     they just make way for newer models. Instant payments
        or credit card networks. They convinced what was then   will coexist with credit cards and other entrenched
        Mobile Oil to add the functionality to its branded credit   payment methods. Just as it took years for cards to displace
        cards. I had one of those Mobile cards, and loved using the   cash and check payments, never quite eliminating either,
        debit option; with payments clearing through the ACH I   so it will be with instant payments and cards.
        benefited from at least two days of float.
                                                                Because it is going to take time for instant payments to
        The experiment was short-lived, however. I was told at the   displace card payments, banks and payments companies
        time that the retail side of the bank lobbied successfully to   need to strategize now about how to use this window
        86 the project, fearing it would eat into the bank's fledgling   of opportunity to strengthen their relationships with
        POS debit card program.                                 merchants.  They  should  begin  thinking  of  ways  to  use
                                                                real-time payments to their advantage, for example for
        According to some reports, JPMorgan Chase's CEO Jamie   merchant payouts, and longer-term new use cases for
        Dimon told executives on the wholesale and retail sides   networks like RTP and FedNow.
        of the bank to play nice and get the new solution ready.   Patti Murphy is senior editor at the Green Sheet and self-described pay-
        I'm not convinced they can. The disconnect between      ments maven of the fourth estate. She also co-hosts the Merchant Sales
        the  wholesale  and  retail  sides of banks  is  undeniable,   Podcast.
        especially in large money center banks.
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